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So here we go again, another edition of the Week In Five digest whatnot. But first, a quick plug if you don't mind. The latest season of our CMU Training programme. There's a couple of spots left on our music business models course next week, so if you're interested in the future of this here industry, check theCMUwebsite.com/training. As for the recent past, here's the week in five more>>
Friday nights at The Social, the rather tidy central London venue just off Oxford Street, are run by former GLR jock Ross Allen. Joining the dots between hip hop, electronica, funk, breaks and beat, 80s soul and disco and then to future boogie and beyond... tonight he goes back to back with Gilles Peterson, who will no doubt try to out do his comrade. Get early as this one will be mobbed more>>
- Dr Klein's Demerol could have caused Jackson's insomnia: Murray trial update
- Lady Gaga blocks Lady Goo Goo release
- Television Personalities' Dan Treacy in coma
- More stat and award glory for Adele
- Cooking Vinyl signs The Cranberries for new album
- Slipknot percussionist confirms new album, remembers Paul Gray
- Korn detail dubstep LP
- 24 Hour Party People director takes charge of Liam Gallagher's wig-free Beatles flick
- Boiler Room stream Yorke DJ set as he hosts 6 Mix
- Azari & III to tour
- Disclosure announce tour, give away Q-Tip remix
- Google ready to launch MP3 service?
- Rocksmith Europe launch delayed by rights issues
- MP3 reselling site ReDigi reaches public beta
- Analogue TV broadcasts to stop next October
- Dave Grohl stands in for Cage The Elephant drummer
- Beef Of The Week: Peter Hook V New New Order
Ninja Tune is seeking applicants for a senior position within the label, developing and executing comprehensive and exciting marketing strategies for our artists, labels and events. We are looking for a someone with initiative and self-motivation willing to take responsibility for planning and implementing great campaigns, including forthcoming campaigns for The Cinematic Orchestra and Coldcut. Applicants will need to demonstrate substantial experience and success in marketing within a record label or other relevant music company, both in the UK and internationally. The role will require extensive knowledge of music, especially current electronic music, and a strong creative eye.

Core responsibilities: Plan, write and execute marketing campaigns for all artist and label releases which are both sensitive to the needs and aesthetic of each artist and work to build profile and sales; Manage campaign activities including asset creation, radio & TV promotion, launch events, live/gig execution, video commissions, brand partnerships, advertising, blog communications and street team; Run campaign events including key gigs, album launch parties, listening parties, installations etc; Analyse and evaluate the commercial effectiveness of campaigns, their costs and results; Work with the Ninja Tune international team and our international partners to build campaigns that work internationally as well as domestically; Main contact point for artists, artist management and internal team on all campaign logistics

Applicants should send a CV and covering letter to [email protected]
Live Nation is currently seeking a talented Flash Designer to join our team in Central London. You will be working alongside our Content and Marketing teams on a variety of projects promoting artists, festivals and tours. You will be highly skilled in Flash (AS2 / AS3), Photoshop, Illustrator, HTML, CSS & XML.

Responsibilities: Create high quality advertising and marketing led flash banners; Design and code marketing emails; Liaise with marketing, sponsorship and other departments to deliver campaigns to brief; Resizing artwork, ensuring all images are optimised for the online delivery; Working on multiple projects and meeting tight deadlines; Knowledge of latest design trends and technologies.

Requirements: Strong skills in Flash AS2 / AS3, HTML, CSS, XML, Photoshop & Illustrator; Proven commercial experience; Strong communication skills and fluent in English; Mac experience; Knowledge of cross-browser, cross-platform and cross-device design (desirable); Knowledge of ASP.NET (desirable); Interest in music (desirable).

If your skills and experiences match that of this job description, please send your CV and a few examples of your work (under 2mb in filesize in total) to [email protected].

Closing date: 21 Oct 2011
Charmfactory looking for a new Campaign Manager to run digital publicity and marketing campaigns for a diverse roster. We cover artists across pop, rock, and genres that the press hasn't yet named, from the breakthrough bands to chart-toppers to the legends.

You must have at least 1 year's digital PR experience, and good contacts with UK music websites and blogs. Charmfactory operates a Mac Computer Network so knowledge in this area would be useful. A good creative mind is essential.

Please submit CV to [email protected] Salary - negotiable based on experience
Future Noise Music are looking for a highly enthusiastic and passionate individual to join our team as an intern in their Clapham North offices starting from week of 24 Oct.

The right candidate will be: Impeccably detail oriented, have very strong communication skills, keen to learn and broaden their scope of various music genres, someone with a good understanding of social media platforms and applications, and proficient with Mac/PC, Photoshop, Excel/Word. Knowledge of HTML is advantageous.

Specific tasks will be as follows but not limited to: In-house press/online/radio PR for our catalogue label, sales support (timely preparation of sales sheets and promos), sourcing content and updating all social media platforms and website, maintaining various D2C activities (designing online & physical newsletters, maintenance of the database), assisting in uploading of various content to digital aggregators, assisting the MD with various tasks, including artist liaison.

If you feel you tick all the above boxes, then email us at [email protected] to let us know you are the ideal intern.

An expert in sleep medicine confirmed to the court hearing the Conrad Murray manslaughter trial yesterday that Jackson had been taking the painkiller Demerol, and that that could have been the cause of his acute insomnia. Dr Nader Kamangar also conceded that the idea that propofol be used to cure severe insomnia was not totally new, but added that the method was unproven, and certainly should not have been used in a domestic setting.

Murray, of course, is accused of causing the death of Michael Jackson by negligently administering the surgical anaesthetic propofol as a cure for insomnia. Murray's defence argue that the singer most likely administered the fatal shot of the drug himself. They have also been keen to show that using propofol to induce sleep, while unusual, isn't totally unheard of, that their client didn't introduce Jackson to propofol as sleep aid anyway, and that he was actually trying to wean his patient off the drug.

They also claim that another doctor seen by Jackson regularly, dermatologist Dr Arnold Klein, was negligently prescribing the singer the Demerol that likely caused the acute insomnia that Murray was trying to cure, and that Klein should therefore also be partly liable for the late king of pop's untimely demise. Judge Michael Pastor has refused the defence's application to call Klein as a witness - ruling his testimony would not be sufficiently relevant - but the other doctor's alleged role was mentioned by defence attorneys during their opening remarks, and again by Murray himself in a police interview, a recording of which was played in court this week.

One of the prosecution's final witnesses, Kamangar's testimony was most interesting when being questioned by defence lawyers. The sleep expert confirmed that Michael Jackson's records showed he had been receiving Demerol from Dr Klein, adding: "I usually avoid using Demerol [with my patients, because] it can actually activate someone, make them more hyper or excited, create more stimulation".

Could it cause insomnia, defence attorney Michael Flanagan asked. "It certainly can," Kamangar replied. Was Jackson addicted to Dermerol? Kamangar said he did not have enough information to answer that question.

Moving on Flanagan asked Kamangar about a Chinese study in 2010 which looked into the use of propofol to induce sleep where patients suffered from acute insomnia. Didn't that survey show that propofol helped some patients, the lawyer asked. Yes, Kamangar said, but it was a very experimental survey and did not in itself justify using the drug as a sleep aid, even in a hospital, and certainly not in a patient's home. According to Reuters, the doctor concluded: "[In that report], even the authors in the end explain that this is just a very preliminary experiment and it needs way more studies to even imagine using this drug for [insomnia]".

The case continues.

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So, an interesting case for fans of intellectual property law now. Anyone? What if I told you this was about Lady Gaga getting all stroppy about a kids social network trying to sell records by an animated character called Lady Goo Goo? But don't worry people, for the time being fellow Moshi Monster Dustbin Beaver is still allowed to sing songs, should he wish to.

Legal reps for the Gaga took legal action against the British owners of Moshi Monsters, an animated online community for kids, after the company - currently in brand extension overdrive - announced its intent to launch an album later this year including songs from Lady Goo Goo, who became something of a YouTube phenomenon over the summer with her song 'The Moshi Dance'.

Team Gaga claimed that Lady Goo Goo - or, more to the point, any attempts to monetise the character through music sales - infringed the pop star's trademarks. And earlier this week a London court agreed with them, passing an injunction banning Moshi Monsters owners Mind Candy from promoting, advertising, selling or distributing any musical work or video 'performed' by Lady Goo Goo, or a variant thereof. The character can stay within the Moshi Monsters social network though.

It's an interesting case because, although within the confines of a kids game, both Dustbin Beaver and Lady Goo Goo are arguably parodies of the pop stars on which they are based. Of course British intellectual property law isn't so hot on protecting people who adapt other people's work, without permission, in the name of parody, but such protections do exist in some other countries and Professor Ian Hargreaves, in his recent review of UK IP laws, suggested such protection should be introduced over here. That said, his proposals specifically related to copyright law, and as this is a trademark case any changes introduced post-Hargreaves might still not have applied here.

Unfortunately Lady Goo Goo was unavailable for comment, but Mind Candy founder and boss Michael Acton Smith told reporters the ruling was disappointing, adding: "It's pretty obvious that kids will be able to tell the difference between the two characters. The shame is that millions of kids fell in love with Lady Goo Goo's debut single on YouTube and now won't be able to enjoy her musical exploits. It was all done in the name of fun and we would have thought that Lady Gaga could have seen the humour behind this parody".

Gaga, of course, has been increasingly prolific in protecting her intellectual property rights of late, unsuccessfully trying to seize the ladygaga.org domain from the owner of a fan site, and launching legal proceedings against an American company who have tried to register the trademark in her name for the make-up market.

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Television Personalities frontman Dan Treacy is currently in intensive care in an induced coma following surgery to remove a blood clot on his brain. Although the cause of the clot has not been divulged, the NME reports that a police investigation is ongoing.

In a statement to the NME, Treacy's bandmates said: "The band is very much concerned for our dear friend and Brother Daniel at this time, and we are all praying for a recovery".

Formed in 1978, Treacy is the only original member of The Television Personalities still in the band. Although Television Personalities are not as widely known as some other bands formed during the punk era, Treacy's songwriting has influenced many other artists. Most recently he was namechecked on MGMT's second album.

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So, yet another good week for Adele. First, it's looking likely that the British singer will have the honour of best selling single and album in both the UK and the US this year, a feat not achieved, Music Week points out, since The Beatles way back in 1964. She then got the most nominations for this year's American Music Awards, the US's big punter voted awards bash that will take place in LA on 20 Nov.

And then cross-Europe indie label trade body IMPALA announced her album '21' has gone thirteen times platinum under the criteria of its Pan-European Independent Sales Awards, having been six times platinum the last time these awards were presented back in March. All of which slightly overshadows the other sixty indie label artists who also received IMPALA Sales Award this week, though we should still say well done to The Knife, Mogwai, Bon Iver, dEUS and The Horrors who were among them.

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The Cranberries announced earlier this week a new deal with Cooking Vinyl, who will release the band's new record, their first studio album since 2001.

The band split in 2003 but started playing together again after reuniting for an acoustic performance when frontwoman Dolores O'Riordan received an honouree degree at Dublin's Trinity College in 2009. The new record will be called 'Roses' and is set for a February 2012 release. Cooking Vinyl will handle distribution worldwide with the exception of the US, where it will be released by Downtown Records.

O'Riordan told CMU: "Having recorded two albums with various different musicians during our hiatus, I could clearly see that Noel and Mike have a unique way of creating chords and Ferg keeps it together in a subtle way. We had a blast in the studio, [producer] Stephen [Street] was in his zone and it came together rather quickly. There is a sense of rejuvenation in the group, a freshness".

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Slipknot's Sean 'Clown' Crahan has confirmed that the band are ready to start work on a new album, albeit in the not-so-near future. "There's plans [to make another record] but that's a way off", he told Kerrang, "No one will push it, because it's going to be a big one. It'll be closer to 'Iowa', but it'll be sadder and crazier. And really thought provoking, it could even be conceptual".

Speaking in the wake of Slipknot bassist Paul Gray's untimely death from an accidental overdose last year, he said: "We're still taking some time to reflect on our brother. Everybody needs to be collecting thoughts so they can get it out and no one has really had time to collect thoughts yet. But we're the fucking 'Knot. And when we come out, you'll know your band is done".

He continued: "If we jumped right in, it wouldn't be about the absence. It would be about the rest of us. We were the nine, but there's a piece missing. We should allow people to pay their respects before we come out with new music. We should do this right".

Slipknot are slated to release a tenth anniversary edition of their aforementioned 2001 LP 'Iowa' on 31 Oct.

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Korn have revealed the tracklisting for their provocative new LP, 'The Path Of Totality'. Yes, that's all still happening. The nu-metallers turned dubstep-dabblers worked with a host of producers including Skrillex, Noisia and Downlink on the album, which is due for release on 5 Dec.

I can't decide which I'm more excited to hear; 'Burn The Obedient' or 'Kill Mercy Within'. I mean, they both sound so lovely. Or there's 'Narcissistic Canibal', which you can stream here or get as a free download here. Select your own favourite titles from this here bunch:

Bleeding Out
Chaos Lives In Everything
Kill Mercy Within
My Wall
Narcissistic Cannibal
Burn The Obedient
Let's Go
Get Up!
Way Too Far

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Michael Winterbottom, the man behind the Factory Records movie '24 Hour Party People' of course, has been newly named as director of forthcoming Beatles biopic 'The Longest Cocktail Party'.

As previously reported, the film is being made by Liam Gallagher's production company In 1 Productions, with Gallagher taking the title of co-producer. It's based on a book by Richard DiLello, which has as its focus The Beatles' company Apple Corp, where DiLello once worked, and follows the creation of that business through to the recording sessions for 'Let It Be' and the subsequent collapse of the band.

Speaking to The Guardian's Xan Brookes at the Cannes Film Festival earlier this year, Gallagher said "The Beatles ain't gonna be in this film", by which we think he meant the actors playing the Fab Four won't be cast or told to particularly look or act like Lennon, McCartney, Harrison or Starr (and not that those characters will be completely excluded from the film, which would be surprising, even if this movie is primarily based around the operations of Apple Corp). Gallagher added: "There's gonna be no one auditioning for John, Paul, George, Ringo, and there's gonna be no wigs. I think that's where these Beatles films have gone wrong".

Gallagher had expressed a wish that Johnny Depp play the film's main protagonist, Apple press officer Derek Taylor, but his co-producer seems less certain, suggesting the actor may be too old and too American to portray a 32 year old Liverpudlian. Says co-producer Andrew Eaton: "There are other parts he [Depp] could do, but whether he could be Derek... I don't know".

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First broadcast live from London earlier this week, Thom Yorke's previously reported DJ set for Ustreaming site the Boiler Room is now available to view and download online. Or more specifically, from the Boiler Room website: www.boilerroom.tv.

The event marked the release of Radiohead's new 'TKOL RMX 1234567′ compilation, and saw live cameos from 'TKOL' remixers including Jamie XX and Caribou.

And if you are in the mood for more Thom, well, tune into BBC 6music this Sunday. He's set to host his own 6 Mix edition from 8pm, playing and discussing his current favourite acts and treating listeners to some solo cuts and exclusive 'TKOL' remixes. Since it's already been recorded, here's a quick preview of the show: soundcloud.com/6mix/thom-yorke-6-mix-bbc-6-music

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House revivalists Azari & III have announced they'll play a round of live dates, setting off on a tour that includes appearances at London's Freeze Festival on 28 Oct, and the Belfast-based MTV Music Awards on 6 Nov.

The highly hypeworthy Canadian quartet will release their eponymous debut album, hitherto only available on import and limited vinyl, over here via Island on 22 Jan. Their next single, 'Reckless (With Your Love)', is due out on 15 Jan, coming with remixes by Paul Epworth, Riva Starr, Julio Bashmore and Tiga. Sample Tensnake's rework of the track here: soundcloud.com/tensnake/azari-iii-reckless-with-your-love-tensnake-remix-snippet

Now, those tour dates:

27 Oct: Brighton, Digital
29 Oct: Leeds, Wax On
31 Oct: London, Fabric
1 Nov: London, Madame JoJo's
3 Nov: Bristol, Blue Mountain
4 Nov: Liverpool, Magnet
5 Nov: Dublin, Crawdaddy
11 Nov: Manchester, Sound Control
12 Nov: Glasgow, The Arches

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Known collectively as alt synth-pop act Disclosure, fraternal duo Guy and Howard Lawrence recently heralded the start of a fresh tour by posting online a remix of Q-Tip track 'Work It Out'. Stream and download that for free here: http://soundcloud.com/disclosuremusic/work-it-out-q-tip-disclosure

The remainder of the duo's 2011 live schedule looks a little like this:

20 Oct: Cardiff, SWN Festival
27 Oct: Southampton, Unit
28 Oct: London, Electric Brixton
31 Oct: Sheffield, The Harley
15 Nov: London, Hoxton Bar & Kitchen
18 Nov: Nottingham, Stealth
19 Nov: Reading, Oakford Social Club
2 Dec: Bristol, Thekla
10 Dec: Manchester, Joshua Brookes
16 Dec: Swansea, Club Oxygen

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Google is getting ready to launch an MP3 download service, according to the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.

There has been much speculation over the years, of course, that Google is about to launch some kind of digital music service - you know, one of those iTunes killers - but subsequent announcements, such as the since scrapped OneBox music search service and the more recent music-based digital locker offer, have always been a bit lacklustre.

When Google's digital locker was in development there was speculation it would be accompanied by an MP3 store, so that the storage facility would work in sync with actual download sales, as Amazon and Apple's digital lockers do. However no such element was present when Google rushed its locker to market earlier this year, possibly because the labels, who would need to licence an MP3 store, were pissed off that the web giant had decided no such licences were required for their locker (Amazon's locker isn't licensed either, of course, but the company already had an MP3 store to play with).

Both The Times and The Journal reckon the new Google-Tunes service will run alongside the digital locker. Whether that means that the web firm has now done a deal with the labels regarding its locker service too remains to be seen. Such a deal would likely enable Google to add a 'scan and match' element to the service (where the system replicates your music collection in the cloud without actually you having to upload most of your MP3s), something Apple's iCloud will offer in the US from later this month, and an add-on service even Google and Amazon concede does require licences from the music firms.

Of course, for all the usually unproven talk of Google moving into iTunes territory, it's worth remembering that, in YouTube, the company arguably already operates the number two online music service.

And talking of Google moving into other people's territories, an interesting rant about the Google+ social network was doing the rounds yesterday, written by a Google employee. Steve Yegge - still getting used to Google+ himself - thought he was posting the rant to his colleagues, but it actually went public. Calling the firm's latest attempt at social networking a "knee-jerk reaction", Yegge wrote: "It's predicated on the incorrect notion that Facebook is successful because they built a great product. But that's not why they are successful. Facebook is successful because they built an entire constellation of products by allowing other people to do the work".

He continued: "So Facebook is different for everyone. Some people spend all their time on Mafia Wars. Some spend all their time on Farmville. There are hundreds or maybe thousands of different high-quality time sinks available, so there's something there for everyone. Our Google+ team took a look at the aftermarket and said: 'Gosh, it looks like we need some games. Let's go contract someone to, um, write some games for us'. Do you begin to see how incredibly wrong that thinking is now? The problem is that we are trying to predict what people want and deliver it for them. You can't do that. Not really. Not reliably. There have been precious few people in the world, over the entire history of computing, who have been able to do it reliably. Steve Jobs was one of them. [But] we don't have a Steve Jobs here. I'm sorry, but we don't".

While Google may be prone to knee-jerking, they are also known for being good employers, and it seems they've quickly assured Yegge there's no hard feelings from management about him engaging in a slightly more public than intended debate about their latest social media efforts. So for Yegge it's probably just as well Google "doesn't have a Steve Jobs" - the famously secretive Apple chief probably would have fired him.

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Games firm Ubisoft confirmed this week that its new 'Rocksmith' game, which is a bit like pretend-to-play franchises 'Guitar Hero' and 'Rock Band', except that you plug in an actual guitar and play for real, won't launch in Europe until 2012 because of problems with licensing the music that appears in the game.

The games firm wrote on the product's Facebook page: "Rocksmith will not be available in Europe until 2012. This is due to music licensing and other external factors. For those of you in Europe who plan to import the game, we want to advise you to do so at your own risk". The Xbox version of the game is region locked anyway, and extra downloadable tracks won't be available in Europe, so those importing the game would need some know-how to circumvent those restrictions.

It's not clear if the other "external factors" includes the fact an unsigned British band called Rocksmith is trying to stop the gaming firm from registering the name in Europe, they having performed under that moniker for four years.

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Against all the odds, ReDigi is still online. Set up to allow music fans to resell their MP3s, in the same way you might sell a CD on Amazon Marketplace, the site, which launched at the beginning of the year, has now entered public beta.

Says the site's CEO, John Ossenmacher: "ReDigi's technology signifies an important transition in the digital space, beyond the scope of what anyone thought was possible. By allowing consumers to sell their used digital music, we are giving digital goods a resale value for the first time ever and opening a new realm of what is possible in the digital age".

Of course, it's not actually the first time someone has tried this. Previously a site called Bopaboo launched, which allowed users to sell MP3s, but only if they promised they'd definitely delete the original file from their computer afterwards. It didn't go down very well with music industry lawyers and disappeared offline before it could properly launch.

ReDigi, however, has always maintained that its proprietary software and business model keeps the company and its users completely within the law. The company's CTO Larry Rudolph said earlier this year: "The technological development of the ReDigi Music Agent passes copyright and first-sale doctrine tests that have stopped other companies from legally being able to do this previously. If you have bought it, you are allowed to sell it. Also, you are allowed to buy something that someone else legally can sell. ReDigi is the technology used for this transaction. It verifies the legal origin, a seller's right under the first sale doctrine and allows a user to resell a file that is verifiably his or hers to sell".

In the latest press release, he adds: "It is a bit like CSI: ReDigi. In addition to the obvious, there are many subtle clues that determine resale eligibility of each track. We are extremely cautious and our technology is incredibly thorough in determining the eligibility of a music file. Ineligible tracks are simply returned to the user's library, no questions asked".

If users are worried about buying a dodgy track, they can also opt to buy a brand new copy from ReDigi's store. Sellers are also rewarded with ReDigi credits, which can only be used within the ReDigi store.

Even if the music companies let this one lie, or it turns out ReDigi's interpretation of copyright law is right (in the US at least) and there's nothing the labels can do to stop the service, it's still not clear that this sort of platform would have much chance of gaining momentum. But we shall see. Check it out for yourself at www.redigi.com.

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Analogue TV broadcasts in the UK will be turned off once and for all on 24 Oct 2012.

As previously reported, the UK government began switching off old school telly signals in Cumbria in 2008, forcing everyone there to upgrade to digital TV via, at least, the Freeview network. Old analogue transmissions have since been turned off in other regions around the UK, so that only five areas, including London, still have them. Northern Ireland will be the last place to have analogue telly turned off in just over a year's time. The spectrum freed up by the ending of analogue TV broadcasts will then be sold off to the mobile sector.

As also much previously reported, efforts to likewise switch off old school radio broadcasts - so FM and MW - and move everyone over to the DAB network have been less successful. And while some of the big radio firms still hope to turn off their FM transmissions in 2015, it seems likely other broadcasters will continue to use the analogue system. Some might even discontinue their DAB outputs - especially if new radio sets that combine DAB and FM transmissions into one electronic programme guide take off.

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Imagine the scenario. You're a band, you've been invited to support one of the biggest rock bands in the world on their US tour, and then suddenly your drummer's appendix bursts. Nightmare. Unless of course, the band you're supporting happens to be fronted by Dave Grohl, who is still on some kind of mission to play drums with every band ever.

The support band in question are Cage The Elephant, who are currently supporting Foo Fighters on their US tour and whose drummer was admitted to hospital in the early hours of Tuesday morning with a burst appendix. This left the band a man down for a gig that night in Salt Lake City.

"He [drummer Jared Champion] had an ulcer for a couple days", explained Cage The Elephant guitarist Lincoln Parrish to Spin. "Then at 1am it was just unbearable, so he went to the emergency room. He was rushed straight into surgery. Dave somehow heard what had happened and called our tour manager. He said: 'Hey, so do you think the guys would go for it?' Our manager was like 'Um... yeah!"

Parrish continued: "I had to pinch myself. I turned around and Dave Grohl is playing the drums. It's an amazing, once in a lifetime experience. Nobody can replace Jared. But it's Dave fucking Grohl. If you're going to be replaced by anybody, it might as well be the best".

Actually, so far it's been a twice in a lifetime experience, because Grohl also performed with the band in LA last night, and will continue to do so until Champion is well enough to return to the tour. The band hopes he'll be back in time to play San Diego on Monday. Or maybe they don't.

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Back in 2007, Peter Hook announced that New Order had split. News which came as a surprise to frontman Bernard Sumner and drummer Stephen Morris, who seemingly hadn't been consulted on the matter. Time went on, there were various disagreements in the press, and as everyone got on with other projects, it never seemed to reach any sort of conclusion.

Since then, Sumner formed a new band, Bad Lieutenant, whose debut album featured contributions by Morris. Hook also formed a new band, Freebass (which also halted in strange and confusing circumstances), but has spent the last few years mainly looking backwards at New Order and their previous incarnation Joy Division's legacy.

In 2009, he published a book about New Order's co-ownership of the legendary Hacienda club in Manchester, called 'How Not To Run A Club'. Then, the following year, he opened a new venue in the city, FAC 251 - The Factory, named after the band's former record label and situated in its old offices. One of the earliest events at the new club saw Hook and his new band The Light perform Joy Division's debut album 'Unknown Pleasures' to mark the 30th anniversary of the death of Joy Division vocalist Ian Curtis.

It's that last move which makes Hook's angry reaction to the news that Sumner, Morris and keyboard player Gillian Gilbert (who originally left the band in 2001) will perform as New Order without him a bit confusing, given he too has been playing his former band's songs without his former bandmates. Though he argues that he didn't use the Joy Division or New Order names, which Sumner, Morris and Gilbert will do (well, they'll use the New Order name) when they play two charity shows later this month (and, Hook seems convinced, when they follow those shows up with a full-on US tour). Hook says he didn't pull the wool over people's eyes. Not like they are. The bastards. Because New Order without him isn't New Order, he says.

All of which led to Hook telling Spinner.com "I'm all the more determined to fuck New Order over in any possible way I can", which seems a little harsh. But he goes on: "What they've done to me, to tour as New Order, is frankly disgusting. I don't mind them touring as New Order, if they'd come to me and said that... but I think that people are intelligent enough to know that it's not. New Order Mark 1 was with Gillian; New Order Mark 2 was without Gillian, and now you've got New Order Mark 3, which is without me. They're different New Orders".

As well as being annoyed over their use of the New Order name, he also seems a bit miffed they didn't invite him to take part in the mini-reunion, although he concedes he didn't approach them about performing at his 'Unknown Pleasures' gig last year. But then, he says, that was partly because "Bernard didn't like Joy Division".

He does possibly have a point there. Sumner never seemed too happy performing Joy Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' with New Order. It was particularly pronounced the first time they did it, when Joy Division and New Order jointly won the Godlike Genius award at the NME Awards. You rarely get to see an example of a man, or even a band, so uncomfortable with playing their own song. But they still carried on doing it throughout their latter touring activity.

Nevertheless, Hook may be right in saying Bernard Sumner isn't that comfortable performing Joy Division songs. Very possibly not because he doesn't like Joy Division's music, but because he doesn't enjoy performing Ian Curtis' vocals. Especially on 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', a song so iconic, and so indicative of Curtis' uncomfortable relationship with the world that ultimately led to his suicide. Still, he did it anyway, to please the fans presumably. So it was probably unfair of Hook to assume he'd want no part in the Joy Division tribute show.

Hook has since performed Joy Division's second album, 'Closer', again with The Light, and next he plans to start performing New Order's albums - "I thought it would be fantastic to play every song I'd ever written before I retired, or before I died" he says. And, in fact, he thinks it might be that project that has irked his former bandmates, and motivated their reunion. He continued: "Supposedly they've been annoyed by the fact that I've played Joy Division and the fact that I'm going to play New Order next year", he said. "So I think that they thought, 'Fuck, we'd better grab it back before he gets it!'"

Still, part way through his lengthy rant Hook does have a brief moment of clarity. "Musicians are renowned for focusing on stupid, petty arguments", he notes. "The things that Bernard and I are arguing about are absolutely fucking pathetic, and I'm hoping that some grown up will come into the schoolyard and stop it".

Oh, but what fun would that be? Read Hook's interview in full here: www.spinner.com/2011/10/06/peter-hook-joy-division-new-order/

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